Gez Bezahlen Oder Nicht 2014

Now that we oase seemingly been sent our belastung letter prior to we challenge debt collectors / frozen accounts ich can"t assist but make die comparison again:


BBC v ARD(+ others)


Who pays?

BBC: households who watch live TV (catch up service do notfall require a license)

ARD: Every household an the country


Cost (per year)

BBC: €183

ARD: €216



BBC: €6.3 billion (€4.6 billion from license + €1.7 billion from commercial profits)

ARD: €8.1 exchange rate (€7.6 billion from licensing + €500 million native advertising)



BBC: 10 TV, 59 Radio

ARD: 22 TV, 61 Radio



BBC: None

ARD: part on 2 TV and 32 radio stations



BBC: Pretty cursed good

ARD: Quality?


They get an ext money 보다 anyone else und provide a worse service than anyone else.

Du schaust: Gez bezahlen oder nicht 2014

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Editor Bob 3,365


Posted 13 Aug 2014

theGman, go you so get ns "Mahnung" dated from ehrenvoll 1st?


According to ns various forums countless people across Germany gott the specific same thing. Und I walk too.


i will end up paying nur because von this... I would not mind kommen sie go through die crappy process, obtain Schufa entries whatever, yet paying double (and considering it will be almost impossible to get that back) wollen be pains :/

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theGman 3,192


Posted 13 Aug 2014

Yep, that aussehen like ns guy. I can"t psychic if it was dated first August, but as every single other einzelheiten is exactly ns same then ich would guess deswegen (we only got the letter yesterday so a deadline of 15th ehrenvoll - a public holiday - ist stupid).


The question weil das me ist after castle forcibly take ns money out von our account what happens next? us go through the same process again for the following 2 years until they forcibly take ns money again?

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Editor Bob 3,365


Posted 13 Aug 2014

Unless freundin take other activity then yes, I"d expect around one Kontopfändung von year.


Once a year. Every year. Until freundin die.


Even wie man you die it"s not certain they"ll stop.

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Froggels 36


Posted 13 Aug 2014

Here ist some updated interesting information relates directly zu EditorBob"s post #53 & 57.


ARD zdf Beitragsservice: ns Zwangsvollstreckungen in säumigen Zahlern zu sein wegen gravierender Formfehler unwirksam. Dies entschied nun zumindest bei einem Fall das Landgericht Tübingen. Dort die GEZ-Vollstreckungen jedoch die meiste zeit ähnlich sind, könnten sie alle unwirksam sein.



BÄÄMMM! Gericht: ARD zdf Vollstreckungen unwirksam



The way i interpret this zu sein that sachen are going zu get harder and more expensive zum these people when it comes to following trost on your threats.


In short it"s most likely advisable to continue skip any und all letter from the Beitragsservice. Jene may anfang getting interesting.

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castnoshadow 1


Posted fünfzehn Aug 2014

It aussehen like ns precedent is now beginning zu be set, und it doesn"t watch god zum ARD / ZDF, this indigenous 3 days ago:

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Editor Bob 3,365


Posted 15 Aug 2014

The above two short articles are usually saying the following...


Your local Finanzamt/Finanzkasse/Stadtkasse (names vary zustand to state) kann legally seize funds from your bank account (Vollstreckung/Kontopfändung) only if the Beitragsservice can prove the they sent you a Beitragsbescheid. Yet if you never reaction to die Beitragsbescheid (i.e. Never replied, never sent a Widerspruch, never registered) climate there ist no means they kann prove freundin received it. Just sending someone a letter doesn"t prove ns letter was actually delivered, opened, and read. There"s no legal duty to open letters the land bei your postbox.


Just yesterday at least two people successfully used die above legal diskutieren to acquire their forced bank account deductions reversed:


1) Frank an Thüringen got a Vollstreckungsankündigung native his Finanzkasse approximately July 25. Then yesterday that wrote an the comments on that same seite "Leiter das Stadtkasse hat ns Pfändung aufgehoben" (i.e. They cancelled the bank account deduction). He"s jetzt considering legal actions against die Stadtkasse on die grounds von "Amtsmissbrauch" ("abuse von office").


2) Stefan in Berlin was in a comparable situation und early this morning the wrote, "Juhu geschafft! heute war einer Brief in mir vom finanzamt Charlottenburg das Vollstreckungsstelle: das Pfändungs- und Einziehungsverfügung gegen mich in Postbank ist abbrechen worden! deshalb muss die Postbank ich das geld nun wieder zurücküberweisen!". Unstable translation: "Finanzamt cancelled your order against me. Postbank must now transfer me rückseitig my money".


Above linke seite only arbeit if you"re logged in as a member of the GEZ Gier und Anti GEZ groups on FB.


What happens following is still open zu question. Bei theory ich suppose ns Beitragsservice could anfang sending demands von registered post. However again, there"s no obligation zu accept registered post when that arrives.


Note also, die Vollstreckung procedure often involves someone being sent out round kommen sie your house zu personally deliver ns demands. But again, if freundin never offen the door kommen sie strangers then they can never prove delivery.

I schutz mentioned this precise same thing prior to such together here und here but oase often to be criticised together naive simply since "it"s die law and you oase to pay". What ich don"t understand is why world won"t realize that there zu sein no obligation zu react kommen sie a letter received über postal e-mail as there ist no proof it was ever received.


I keep hearing the same story over and over that you are somehow obligated zu pay if you do notfall reply with a Widerspruch within 30 days of receipt ns Beitragsbescheid. This renders no sense to me. Just how on God"s Earth tun können non-reciept of a letter bei the briefe be construed kommen sie imply any type of obligation whatsoever on behalf von the addressee? On ns contrary; any solution whatsoever zu these idiots is A: bei acknowledgement von receipt und B: an acknowledgement von the obligation kommen sie pay but refusal zu do so. Both of those jene can und will arbeiten against you.



Even websites the supposedly room trying to "help" people verteidigung themselves native this madness much more often than notfall lead world into this very same trap choose this one


Was passiert, wenn ich den Rundfunkbeitrag einfach no zahle?

Wenn sie einfach anzeigen nicht zahlen, habe nicht sich gegen das Rundfunkbeitrag zu wehren, erhalten sie irgendwann einen Beitragsbescheid. Wenn sie nun sind nicht Rechtsmittel (Widerspruch hagen Klage; siehe folgenden Frage) drauf einlegen, wird der Bescheid nach einem Monat bestandskräftig und sie sind zur zahlung verpflichtet. Zahlen sie nicht freiwillig, kann der Rundfunkbeitrag zwangsweise beigetrieben werden, das kann bis um zur Lohnpfändung gehen!

Außerdem begehen sie eine Ordnungswidrigkeit und riskieren einen Bußgeld, wenn sie länger wie 6 Monate nicht bezahlen...

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Sometimes ich really schutz to wonder weil das whom these human being might really be functioning for...



The much more people fully ignore this letters, beat stupid, und act like they schutz never even heard des the Beitragsservice (aka GEZ) the sooner the entire system zu sein likely kommen sie collapse under its own weight. As i mentioned before, sending out a Widerspuch ist akin kommen sie replying to spam and only makes ns Beitragservice people"s arbeit easier.